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Post by Thunder [VAN] on Apr 25, 2021 16:19:01 GMT -5
I would like to discuss clarifying or modifying the Waivers and Buyouts rules.
8.1 Waivers
h. Players not under contract may be cut to free agency at anytime during the off-season
Termination Waivers mentions that players not under contract can also be terminated with no penalty during the regular season.
There are no mentions of limits to the amount of players that can be placed on Terminations Waiver during the regular season.
We did not apply any limits during the 2020-2021 season, but I feel there is some sort of contradiction going with the Buyouts rules.
Also there are no time limits for Termination Waivers, do we allow them only during the regular season or in the off-season as well ?
Termination Waivers:
a. If a team no longer wishes to own a player, that player can be placed on termination waivers.
b. If the player is either on their ELC, on a two-way NHL-given contract, or still has not signed their first contract, they can be placed on Termination Waivers for no cap penalty, if unclaimed. For any other contract, you will have to pay a penalty of 30% of such player's cap hit for each season that such player is signed. If a player is claimed, however, the waiving team shall be subject to no penalty, and the team who is awarded the player will have his full cap hit on their roster.
c. Players that have not been signed to a UHSL contract can be terminated with no penalty.
d.To claim a player who has been terminated: You will create a thread on the "Waivers" sub forum of the Contracts board.
e.The thread will be open for 48 hours. The team with the highest priority to make a claim will win the player.
Buyouts can only happen during a 1 week period and teams can only buyout one contract.
Buyout penalties are twice the length of a Termination Waivers. 8.5 Buyouts and Retirements:
a. There will be a 1 week buyout period, beginning at 8am the day after the Stanley Cup finals are completed each season. Every team is permitted a maximum of 1 buyouts per year. The penalty for a buyout is the total of 30% of the salary for twice the length of the contract.
b. All players who were bought out are become free agents and enter the FA pool. Should we remove the buyouts altogether and only deal with a termination waivers rules, or maybe restrict termination waivers to make it more in line with the buyouts rules ?
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Post by Thunder [VAN] on Apr 25, 2021 16:28:44 GMT -5
There is a gap in the Goalies fantasy points allowance where 0.940 to 1.000 SV% are not being awarded points like the previous bracket.
I believe this points system was inspired from FI Dynasty League where managers found out about this little flaw this year.
Save Percentage (SV%) Calculate Per Game, Cumulative: From 0 to 1, award 0point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.9 to 0.909, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.91 to 0.919, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.92 to 0.929, award 0.005point(s) for every0.001SV%
From 0.93 to 0.939, award 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV%
I would suggest extending the last bracket of 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV% all the way to 1.000 :
Save Percentage (SV%)
Calculate Per Game, Cumulative: From 0 to 1, award 0point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.9 to 0.909, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.91 to 0.919, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.92 to 0.929, award 0.005point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.93 to 1.000, award 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV%
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Post by HabsGM (Ray) on Apr 25, 2021 16:44:16 GMT -5
100% on the goalie scoring. I borrowed the goalie scoring from another league that some of us are in and didn't realize the oversight.
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Post by HabsGM (Ray) on Apr 25, 2021 16:50:28 GMT -5
For the sake of less confusion... any players added through waivers should be a flat cost. $700k and they automatically become free agents next off season.
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Post by LightningGM (Jer) on Apr 25, 2021 20:33:36 GMT -5
There is a gap in the Goalies fantasy points allowance where 0.940 to 1.000 SV% are not being awarded points like the previous bracket.
I believe this points system was inspired from FI Dynasty League where managers found out about this little flaw this year.
Save Percentage (SV%) Calculate Per Game, Cumulative: From 0 to 1, award 0point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.9 to 0.909, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.91 to 0.919, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.92 to 0.929, award 0.005point(s) for every0.001SV%
From 0.93 to 0.939, award 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV%
I would suggest extending the last bracket of 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV% all the way to 1.000 :
Save Percentage (SV%)
Calculate Per Game, Cumulative: From 0 to 1, award 0point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.9 to 0.909, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.91 to 0.919, award 0.003point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.92 to 0.929, award 0.005point(s) for every0.001SV% From 0.93 to 1.000, award 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV%
Two things: 1. I don't think it's necessary to provide a SV% bracket above .980% as the only way a player could earn them would be to allow a single goal on roughly 50 shots or with a shutout. 2. Just a reminder that every additional SV% bonus tier/point added, is cumulative for a shut-out which is already bonused.
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Post by Minnesota (Brian) on Apr 26, 2021 1:25:05 GMT -5
For the sake of less confusion... any players added through waivers should be a flat cost. $700k and they automatically become free agents next off season. I think the 700k is a good idea, but I think the team should be able to decide whether or not to extend, rather than the player becoming a free agent. Otherwise, gms who sign prospects mid season become scouting services for other gms.
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Post by pacificislander on Apr 26, 2021 22:05:44 GMT -5
For the sake of less confusion... any players added through waivers should be a flat cost. $700k and they automatically become free agents next off season. I think the 700k is a good idea, but I think the team should be able to decide whether or not to extend, rather than the player becoming a free agent. Otherwise, gms who sign prospects mid season become scouting services for other gms. Make them RFA instead, extending is only 20% markup from 700k
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Post by NSH GM (David) on Apr 27, 2021 10:05:07 GMT -5
I would like to discuss clarifying or modifying the Waivers and Buyouts rules.
8.1 Waivers
h. Players not under contract may be cut to free agency at anytime during the off-season
Termination Waivers mentions that players not under contract can also be terminated with no penalty during the regular season.
There are no mentions of limits to the amount of players that can be placed on Terminations Waiver during the regular season.
We did not apply any limits during the 2020-2021 season, but I feel there is some sort of contradiction going with the Buyouts rules.
Also there are no time limits for Termination Waivers, do we allow them only during the regular season or in the off-season as well ?
8.5 Buyouts and Retirements:
a. There will be a 1 week buyout period, beginning at 8am the day after the Stanley Cup finals are completed each season. Every team is permitted a maximum of 1 buyouts per year. The penalty for a buyout is the total of 30% of the salary for twice the length of the contract.
b. All players who were bought out are become free agents and enter the FA pool. Should we remove the buyouts altogether and only deal with a termination waivers rules, or maybe restrict termination waivers to make it more in line with the buyouts rules ?
I definitely agree we should have only one of these methods of terminating contracts. I like the idea of putting restrictions on the termination waivers, maybe something like a no waiver period from the trade deadline until the the end of the playoffs? That way most retirements and real life buyouts have occurred (during the actual buyout period) and it limits the cap wiggle room possible during the playoffs. As for the goalie scoring, it makes sense to cover a bit of the gap from .930-.970 ish but definitely want to avoid essentially double counting shutout bonuses. For players claimed off waivers we could treat players differently based on age? So players over 26 years old will become FAs after the year and players 26 and under become RFAs?
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Post by Minnesota (Brian) on Apr 27, 2021 10:50:30 GMT -5
What is our definition of rfa? The only real reference in the rules is for players with expiring ELCs. Would the definition be any player exiting ELC or any U26 player added during the season is subject to offer sheets, and/or contract sets to real NHL contract?
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Post by LightningGM (Jer) on Apr 28, 2021 9:40:17 GMT -5
For the sake of less confusion... any players added through waivers should be a flat cost. $700k and they automatically become free agents next off season. I think the 700k is a good idea, but I think the team should be able to decide whether or not to extend, rather than the player becoming a free agent. Otherwise, gms who sign prospects mid season become scouting services for other gms. I like the $700k/one year deal for UFAs, it's realistic and fair. If the guys is unsigned, or on an ELC you should be able to sign them up until they reach RFA. Definitely need to expand the rules around this.
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Post by Thunder [VAN] on May 4, 2021 14:58:47 GMT -5
Two things: 1. I don't think it's necessary to provide a SV% bracket above .980% as the only way a player could earn them would be to allow a single goal on roughly 50 shots or with a shutout. 2. Just a reminder that every additional SV% bonus tier/point added, is cumulative for a shut-out which is already bonused. My proposition of
From 0.93 to 1.00, award 0.006point(s) for every0.001SV%
does not make sense in the light that 1.00 SV% is already bonused 1.5 FPts for a Shut-out, I agree with you.
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I would think to give a bonus all the way to 0.99, however unlikely that it happens, as I can't see a situation where a SV% above 0.980 would not be allowed to benefit from the extra bonus.
From 0.93 to 0.99, award 0.006point(s) for every 0.001SV%
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Post by Thunder [VAN] on May 4, 2021 15:05:24 GMT -5
I think the 700k is a good idea, but I think the team should be able to decide whether or not to extend, rather than the player becoming a free agent. Otherwise, gms who sign prospects mid season become scouting services for other gms. I like the $700k/one year deal for UFAs, it's realistic and fair. If the guys is unsigned, or on an ELC you should be able to sign them up until they reach RFA. Definitely need to expand the rules around this.
I also like the 700k rule for a UFA.
The one year deal, I am a bit thorn on.
I could go either way. We could have a vote on this one.
In both cases, players on ELCs / Unsigned should be signed until their ELC runs out.
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Post by hockeyfan72 (Bruins GM) on Jul 6, 2021 21:48:04 GMT -5
Just a thought. I lot of the guys like higher scoring in terms of fantasy points. One way to keep our scoring model as well as keeping others happy would be to keep all the statistics relative by adding a 10 times multiplier to each one. It would not change anything really other than making the scoring bigger.
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Post by HabsGM (Ray) on Jul 27, 2021 20:15:39 GMT -5
Just a thought. I lot of the guys like higher scoring in terms of fantasy points. One way to keep our scoring model as well as keeping others happy would be to keep all the statistics relative by adding a 10 times multiplier to each one. It would not change anything really other than making the scoring bigger. Yeah, this might be the way to go, if it matters to enough people.
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Post by CanesGM (Deryk) on Jul 29, 2021 21:58:45 GMT -5
One issue that has to be addressed is the lack of positional flexibility in such a large league as it makes little sense to be so restrictive. I'm in a league with a bunch of you where it is:
4 - C 6 - W 2 - F
And Fantrax manages the eligibility for us. I really feel like we over thought it last year with the whole faceoffs taken criteria.
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Post by NSH GM (David) on Jul 30, 2021 6:28:26 GMT -5
One issue that has to be addressed is the lack of positional flexibility in such a large league as it makes little sense to be so restrictive. I'm in a league with a bunch of you where it is: 4 - C 6 - W 2 - F And Fantrax manages the eligibility for us. I really feel like we over thought it last year with the whole faceoffs taken criteria. I mean I'm pretty indifferent to how we manage position eligibility for forwards to be honest. I'm in a league that has 2-3 position reviews per year using the FOT/TOI ratio we are here. The idea is just to have known dates that will change players' positions to better reflect how they are being utilized in real life. Whereas Fantrax, if I understand correctly, is really only able to do once a year reliably. As for the actual roster positions. The most flexibility would be from this IMO: 3C 6W 3F
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Post by CanesGM (Deryk) on Jul 30, 2021 9:19:55 GMT -5
One issue that has to be addressed is the lack of positional flexibility in such a large league as it makes little sense to be so restrictive. I'm in a league with a bunch of you where it is: 4 - C 6 - W 2 - F And Fantrax manages the eligibility for us. I really feel like we over thought it last year with the whole faceoffs taken criteria. I mean I'm pretty indifferent to how we manage position eligibility for forwards to be honest. I'm in a league that has 2-3 position reviews per year using the FOT/TOI ratio we are here. The idea is just to have known dates that will change players' positions to better reflect how they are being utilized in real life. Whereas Fantrax, if I understand correctly, is really only able to do once a year reliably. As for the actual roster positions. The most flexibility would be from this IMO: 3C 6W 3F That's definitely better. Last year we made far too many players centres that weren't really centres, which is really where my complaint comes from. Purely looking at my roster, Blake Wheeler was made a centre. Now I know, you know, Blake knows, the Jets knows that he's not a centre. He's always been a RW. Yes he took a lot of faceoffs the previous year, but so what? That doesn't make him a centre. I know a bunch of other teams had the same issues and it skews the values of wingers to be higher than centres due to positional scarcity. If we are looking for realism, our settings do the exact opposite of that. As for known date for player positions, yeah I can see that being an issue for roster building. I still prefer to let Fantrax handle it and give managers as much flexibility to adapt by offering more F slots. I mean I think the 3/6/3 alignment should work, but really is there any harm in 4C / 8 F? or 4C / 4W / 4F ?
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Post by NSH GM (David) on Jul 30, 2021 10:54:32 GMT -5
To me there should be a certain level of "difficulty", for lack of a better word, in line up construction.
IMO, there needs to be a balance between improving flexiblility and keeping realistic positional utilization/scarcity.
I'm open to adjusting the position eligibility assessment and adding that utility slot, but I'm hesitant to expand out too far from there.
Also Blake wheeler is a bit of an extreme example. Went from taking 652 FOs in 19-20 to 8 in 20-21. So a more frequent review would have had him move to the wing during the season under the current system btw.
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Post by CanesGM (Deryk) on Jul 30, 2021 12:56:19 GMT -5
You know why Blake Wheeler didn't take so many faceoffs? Because they acquired PLD and let me say it again, HE'S NOT A CENTRE, like I screamed in Discord a million times. He wasn't the only one, but I'm just trying to emphasize the point that our eligibility criteria is flawed. Like you don't need to placate me at all, but if it's not fixed, I'm out. It's hard enough to scout and hand out contracts in this league, I'm not going to ice an inferior roster again because of an easily fixed issue.
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Post by CanesGM (Deryk) on Jul 30, 2021 17:05:35 GMT -5
And sorry if I came off a bit too aggressive, I just really like the idea of this league but it definitely needs some tweaks. We'll get there I'm sure. Thanks for taking on the commish role. I've done it enough times to know it's a thankless job.
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Post by NSH GM (David) on Jul 30, 2021 17:19:59 GMT -5
No worries. Appreciate the passion! Credit to HabsGM (Ray) for the great suggestion! Revert back to Fantrax defaults and allow each manager 3 review requests per year. I think the review process could then consider the FOT/TOI ratio with a bit of judgement call from the rules committee and myself. I will also add another F spot in the rosters for greater flexibility. So final look would be 3C/6W/3F.
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Post by HabsGM (Ray) on Jul 30, 2021 20:09:34 GMT -5
Thanks... blind squirrel/acorn.
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Post by NSH GM (David) on Aug 2, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
Hi Everyone,
This is a summary of the proposed changes to the league for next season. Please take a few minutes to review and let me know what you think.
Section 8.3 Waiver Claims
Draft eligible players cannot be acquired via waivers going forward. Only players over the age of 20 ( born before Jan 1st 2001) are eligible for waivers until after the current year's entry draft (after 2021 Entry Draft will be before Jan 1st 2002).
Essentially the language around waiver adds was a little loose in my opinion, so wanted to explicitly state this restriction going forward.
Waiver claims will not be executed during the playoffs.
I know this doesn't exactly follow the NHL, but I think this will help simplify the process going forward.
Players added via waivers will have the following contract rules:
A. If the player is not on an NHL contract and the first contract they sign would be an ELC, they will be added at the league minimum, once they sign their ELC. The length of the contract will be replicated. RFA status will be applied after the contract ends.
B. If the player is on an NHL ELC, they will be added at league minimum for the length of their real ELC contract. These players will have RFA expiration.
C. If the player is currently or has previously been on a standard NHL contract or is no longer eligible for an ELC contract, they will be added at the league minimum, for a max of three years decided upon acquisition.
i. This contract will not be dependent upon NHL signings, so the contract starts once the player is added to a roster.
These three scenarios should be all encompassing for potential waiver claims. Really wanted to reward quality scouting while not allowing for indefinite holds on players.
Note that if a player’s contract is terminated by a team, clearing waivers, then is subsequently claimed in the same season by the terminating team, they will be added at the terminated contract value.
This is to close a bit of a loophole where teams could terminate and reacquire a player for cheaper than the original contract.
6.1 Re-Signing Players
I had thought about putting in contract extension limits, but have decided to leave the current system in place. Recognizing certain team may be built to re-sign most of the roster year to year. This will be monitored however and could be tweaked in the future if negative impacts to the league are observed.
7. Offer-Sheets
This is to make slight adjustments and really clear up this process before we enter the RFA signing phase.
YOU MUST HAVE THE REQUIRED COMPENSATION BEFORE SUBMITTING AN OFFER-SHEET.
The RFA contract can only be higher than the previous contract.
ie. svechnikov contract ends at 9.6M, an offer-sheet would need to be at a minimum 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 3rd or the highest bracket (4 1sts)
Then one week to submit any offer sheets during the RFA signing period, the GM getting an offer-sheet will have 24 hours (instead of 48) to accept the contract or compensation at the end of the period.
Additionally, each team may only submit 1 (one) offer-sheet per offseason.
I am proposing to change the communication component for this to the following:
All RFAs will be in a thread in proboards, offer-sheets will be submitted in the thread. This will allow both the owner and the league to better track these throughout the week.
8.1 & 8.5 Termination Waivers/Buyouts
This was brought up in the original discussion, so wanted to put a summary together.
I think it would be good to simplify the language and termination process.
I proposed the trade deadline as a final termination date, I think this will allow every team to assess their cap and roster space in order to make a decision by then. This would then be frozen until after playoffs conclude. A new Cap hit would be 40% of the terminated contract. For the length of the terminated contract. Minors eligible contracts can be terminated without penalty.
Demotion Waivers
There appeared to be inconsistencies in GMs recording their roster moves in a timely fashion last season so I hope to address this going forward.
All demotion and terminations must be posted to Proboards before executing. If this continues to be not done properly roster move permissions will be removed from the GMs.
Fantrax will be updated to correctly reflect the minors eligible players, to avoid confusion in the future.
Note the time frame the player remains on waivers is from the time of the first post to proboards.
Penalties for not posting prior to match-up period begins:
First offence: Warning
Second offence: Replacement player’s score adjusted to zero for impacted week
Third: Team’s score adjusted to zero for the week.
I know these may seem harsh but it really is not an overly complicated process to follow so I hope I never have to implement this. If there are special circumstances surrounding the GM not posting to proboards, leniency may be applied.
3 & 3.1 Rosters and Position Eligibility
Due to concerns raised over the current roster format and positional eligibility for centers and wingers the following adjustments will be made.
Rosters will be
2-3C
5-6W
2-3F
5-6D
1-2G
0-4BN
This change is to allow teams greater flexibility in roster construction as many players float between winger and center positions throughout their career.
Position Eligibility will now be determined solely by Fantrax.
Each GM will now also receive 3 review requests per year, to challenge a player’s position determined by Fantrax.
The commissioner and the Rules committee will use the FOT/TOI ratio of 0.35 as a gauge along with judgment to determine if a player’s position should be updated.
Rare cases of a player moving from forward to defence and vice versa will also be considered in this review request.
9. Scoring
Suggestion made to apply a multiplier to scoring. All point totals would be multiplied by 10 going forward.
Additionally I believe thunder made this adjustment if not, I will change in Fantrax, but goalie sv% will be updated to include the range from 0.93 to 0.99, award 0.006point(s) for every 0.001SV%
I think this covers the issues that have been highlighted so far this offseason and could come up going forward, but please feel free to add any final commentary/suggestions.
Also if I have missed, misstated, or just completely missed the mark please make your opinion heard now. I do intend to keep to the Aug 3rd deadline for Rule changes.
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Post by HabsGM (Ray) on Aug 2, 2021 19:13:47 GMT -5
Awesome work, I like it all.
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Post by NSH GM (David) on Aug 10, 2021 19:27:33 GMT -5
8.5 c. For players signed to multi-year deals, teams will have a cap hit of 30% of the AAV for the remaining years for players who retire during their contract.
Just to provide some additional clarity on the above ruling for players who retire while on a UHSL contract.
I am proposing the below to account for some of the unique scenarios were have been seeing across the league.
8.5 c. For players that retire having three to five years remaining on their contract when retirement is announced; or the player is age 35+ when signed to an UHSL contract the contract can be terminated with a cap hit of 30%. Players that retire due to injury; or have one to two years remaining on their contract on retirement announcement, can have their contract terminated with no cap hit for the remainder of the contract.
As some have pointed out we should be accommodating to sudden retirements, but do not want leave the door open for people to offload bad contracts.
Let me know if this hits the mark for addressing this issue.
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